Still a few out there.

When it comes to putting a value on an old car, one needs to consider only two things... are you buying the car for resale or are you buying the car to keep. If you are buying for resale, then you want to be low enough to make a profit. If you are buying it to keep in your collection, then you will usually be willing to pay a higher price than the dealer that is also looking at the car.
 
Paul Steinberg said:
When it comes to putting a value on an old car, one needs to consider only two things... are you buying the car for resale or are you buying the car to keep. If you are buying for resale, then you want to be low enough to make a profit. If you are buying it to keep in your collection, then you will usually be willing to pay a higher price than the dealer that is also looking at the car.
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Along with that one needs to consider what it will take to get it going again as with these cars sitting for at least 30 years without starting will likely need alot spent on them.
 
I usually figure between $300 - 500 in parts to get a car going no matter how long or short the storage time has been. If I were not able to do the work myself, then I could easily triple or quadruple that amount when I add in the labor factor.
 
I didn't post it because there were a couple of PCS members looking at them.

I knew about them and was not interested in them myself. I was asked to look at them for a couple of our members who were interested and Walter and Tom and I went out and looked them over and photographed them. They decided not to take them and they sold on the next day. Asking price for the Eureka $1000.00, for the M-M $3000.00 The cars were pretty rough. The photos will appear in the next issue of The Superior Times which went to print end of last week.
 
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Yes, Danny, it looks like we were talking about the same pair of Eurekas. I was never "bidding" on them; I was given the lead and, like I always do, was simply following up, mostly out of curiosity. I'm glad to know the cars are solid and will be prized by somebody.

As for the Swartz cars, there's a funny story there. While in Flint last summer for the PCS meet, Jon Wurm and I stopped by Swartz early one morning, introduced ourselves to a Swartz paramedic, explained our professional car interest, and asked if it would be possible to see / photograph the old cars. He replied that he'd "heard about them", but they were kept in a different location so seeing them would not be possible. We thanked him and left. The entire conversation was simple and polite.

Later that day, rumors began flying that I had gotten nasty with the Swartz employee, resulting on Jon and I being "escorted off the premisis." I've since heard that version of the story from a few people, independent of one another. I think it's funny because it couldn't be farther from the truth. I never did see either car in person but apparently I turn into a very angry person when denied photographing old coaches! :14_6_12:

Funny how these things go... :drama:
 
Wow, Tony, amazing how stories get distorted! Jamie Boles and I stopped by Swartz Ambulance as well and introduced ourselves to the dispatcher. She took us to the garage where only the '61 Eureka was. She knew there was a '57 but didn't know where it was. I got a few pictures, but as Brady said, the car was fairly rough and we weren't interested in buying. We didn't say much because we knew some other folks were looking. I don't want to usurp Brady's newsletter, but I can post my photos of the '61 if Brady doesn't mind.
 
Tony Karsnia said:
Yes, Danny, it looks like we were talking about the same pair of Eurekas. I was never "bidding" on them; I was given the lead and, like I always do, was simply following up, mostly out of curiosity. I'm glad to know the cars are solid and will be prized by somebody.

As for the Swartz cars, there's a funny story there. While in Flint last summer for the PCS meet, Jon Wurm and I stopped by Swartz early one morning, introduced ourselves to a Swartz paramedic, explained our professional car interest, and asked if it would be possible to see / photograph the old cars. He replied that he'd "heard about them", but they were kept in a different location so seeing them would not be possible. We thanked him and left. The entire conversation was simple and polite.

Later that day, rumors began flying that I had gotten nasty with the Swartz employee, resulting on Jon and I being "escorted off the premisis." I've since heard that version of the story from a few people, independent of one another. I think it's funny because it couldn't be farther from the truth. I never did see either car in person but apparently I turn into a very angry person when denied photographing old coaches! :14_6_12:

Funny how these things go... :drama:
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Adam B. and I were working on getting the Swartz cars and Brady was helpful in letting us know condition of the cars and it was decided with shipping cost was too much to bare.
 
Danny Ryder said:
Adam B. and I were working on getting the Swartz cars and Brady was helpful in letting us know condition of the cars and it was decided with shipping cost was too much to bare.
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Danny, if I may ask, what are these "shipping costs" that I hear so much about. I have a professional interest in the answer. I've got an acquantance who brokers fire truicks, been after me forever to get a truck and move them. Wonder if it's possible to make a fair buck for a good service rendered. Knows I will do the job with the proper care and respect. Thanks.
 
Russell, we have found some really good shippers and they are not terrible expensive but for long trips it does add up especially if car does not run and drive enough to load. Ambulances are usually alittle more because of size and same with fire truck. I just had a 64 F750 ford firetruck shipped from Durant Iowa to Canton Georgia which is near Atlanta for cost of $850 which I thought was fair for size of truck and distance.:smileTEXAS:
 
Thanks for the quick reply. That works out to about $1.04 loaded mile which is really dirt cheap. We currently don't touch any "back-haul" freight for less than $1.25 loaded mile. Our outbound loads pay around $3.05 per loaded.

Appreciate the info muchly.
 
so far it's cost everyone and me at least a grand to get a car to me and away from me. it runs about the same if you do it your self. checked on the price of a decent trailer yesterday and they want 8 Gs to buy one of them up here. but with a good truck so you can move two at a time at lest. you can make a living shuffling cars around. your never home again but you can make a living.
 
Larry Wilson and myself also looked over the cars at Swartz while in Flint. The 57 was in the garage next door to the Eureka ambulance. Darwin said the ambulance had a newer engine but it needed a lot of restoration. It came from a nursing home north of Chicago. I saw the cars listed on craigslist at$4500 for both a month or so later.
 
Tony Karsnia said:
Yes, Danny, it looks like we were talking about the same pair of Eurekas. I was never "bidding" on them; I was given the lead and, like I always do, was simply following up, mostly out of curiosity. I'm glad to know the cars are solid and will be prized by somebody.

As for the Swartz cars, there's a funny story there. While in Flint last summer for the PCS meet, Jon Wurm and I stopped by Swartz early one morning, introduced ourselves to a Swartz paramedic, explained our professional car interest, and asked if it would be possible to see / photograph the old cars. He replied that he'd "heard about them", but they were kept in a different location so seeing them would not be possible. We thanked him and left. The entire conversation was simple and polite.

Later that day, rumors began flying that I had gotten nasty with the Swartz employee, resulting on Jon and I being "escorted off the premisis." I've since heard that version of the story from a few people, independent of one another. I think it's funny because it couldn't be farther from the truth. I never did see either car in person but apparently I turn into a very angry person when denied photographing old coaches! :14_6_12:

Funny how these things go... :drama:
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WOW!!
I better not deny you a look at the "Secret Paramount" when you visit. :clubem:
 
Danny Ryder said:
Russell, we have found some really good shippers and they are not terrible expensive but for long trips it does add up especially if car does not run and drive enough to load. Ambulances are usually alittle more because of size and same with fire truck. I just had a 64 F750 ford firetruck shipped from Durant Iowa to Canton Georgia which is near Atlanta for cost of $850 which I thought was fair for size of truck and distance.:smileTEXAS:
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I guess the next question would be, what kind of rig are these guys using? A pickup with one of those funky long trailers behind it (really dangerous in some road conditions, the trailer "overpowers the truck" usually resulting in a mess all over the road), or a "big rig" kind of set-up.

My friend wants me to get a full Class 8 tractor and 53' drop deck trailer capable of hauling ladder trucks and such. That would be capable of moving 2 pro-cars at a time in good fashion. The price to move pro-cars would be over $2.00 a mile loaded, fire trucks over $4.00 loaded, extra for "oversize".
 
Russell Street said:
I guess the next question would be, what kind of rig are these guys using? A pickup with one of those funky long trailers behind it (really dangerous in some road conditions, the trailer "overpowers the truck" usually resulting in a mess all over the road), or a "big rig" kind of set-up.

My friend wants me to get a full Class 8 tractor and 53' drop deck trailer capable of hauling ladder trucks and such. That would be capable of moving 2 pro-cars at a time in good fashion. The price to move pro-cars would be over $2.00 a mile loaded, fire trucks over $4.00 loaded, extra for "oversize".
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I have seen everything you can imagine come in here from low boys, fifth wheel one, two, and three car haulers pulled by dually pickups, simi's. They use what ever is needed depending on what they are hauling of course you can't haul a hearse or ambulance on just anything.
 
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