Missing inner fender splash thing
- Thread starter Doug Watson
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I can't figure out where this rectangular hole is located, however, it appears to be near the hood hinge. Could you please post a picture that isn't a close up of the hole?
I have no idea what the second picture is of. It looks like it is near the floor, but that is all that I can tell. If it is a light, I would need to see it at a different angle to figure this out.
Third picture......
To change the lenses, you have to use a small tool, such as a very narrow flat bladed screwdriver, and gently pry the lens down. There are either 3 or 4 tabs that hold the lens to the light housing. The bulbs are either a bayonet type that twist to remove, or they might be the long cylindrical type. Both types were used in your vintage car. When you get the bulb out, there is a number printed on the side.
I have no idea what the second picture is of. It looks like it is near the floor, but that is all that I can tell. If it is a light, I would need to see it at a different angle to figure this out.
Third picture......
To change the lenses, you have to use a small tool, such as a very narrow flat bladed screwdriver, and gently pry the lens down. There are either 3 or 4 tabs that hold the lens to the light housing. The bulbs are either a bayonet type that twist to remove, or they might be the long cylindrical type. Both types were used in your vintage car. When you get the bulb out, there is a number printed on the side.
Are you looking for a "splash apron"
the foot well light you pictured last is a half twist to line up the tap in the lens to the slot in the housing. the other one you pictures is like Paul said. two different lights here is the piece your missing from the inerfender. in fact here is all the inerfender pieces for one side of a 63 commercial car chassis
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Are 63 and 64 CC the same concerning fenders? Are CC fenders different from other cadillac models? Guess I'm asking if i go to salvage yard and ask for fleetwood... Would it work? Also, how do you draw on your pictures? I want to do that... If Ed can do it, I bet I can do it!
1959 to 1964 commercial chassis fenders are commercial chassis specific and don't interchange with the regular passenger cars. Your best bet is to find someone that is parting out a commercial chassis car and get the parts you need from them. I can't answer the question as to what years are the same and what years are different concerning the inner fender pans. If I had to guess, I would assume that they are the same from 1959 to 1964 based on the fact that the cowl is the same for those years, and the fenders are commercial chassis specific. That being the case, I doubt that GM would have changed the inner fender, or any other non visible part. I will check my Cadillac parts books tomorrow to see if I can add to this answer.
Doug, Russ Austin has parted a handful of '63-'64 CC and can probably answer if the inner fenders are the same as used on passenger cars.
'63 and '64 CC fenders differ slightly in the headlight area. Swapping/welding one into the other enables the fender being used on the other.
'61-'64 CC fenders are wider (both top and bottom) and have a different cowl edge curvature accommodating the '59-'60 GM windshield. With time and talent a passenger car fender could be modified into a CC, although once those two are added in one would be further ahead just buying a CC fender - even if needing typical lower rust repair.
'63 and '64 CC fenders differ slightly in the headlight area. Swapping/welding one into the other enables the fender being used on the other.
'61-'64 CC fenders are wider (both top and bottom) and have a different cowl edge curvature accommodating the '59-'60 GM windshield. With time and talent a passenger car fender could be modified into a CC, although once those two are added in one would be further ahead just buying a CC fender - even if needing typical lower rust repair.
Here's the skinny. The large inner fenders are the same from 63 to 64, to include the CC & Limo. The smaller splash shield that bbolts to the larger inner fender is the same from 63 to 64, but is different from the standard chassis to the CC & Limo.
I have some large inner fenders, but am on vacation in Texas right now. email me at russ85747@hotmail.com
I have some large inner fenders, but am on vacation in Texas right now. email me at russ85747@hotmail.com
those set of years the front ends were CC are only. so I'll differ to the people that may have compared the inner fenders. it bolts together then to the cowl. depending on were they took it apart would be how much you would need but the pictures I posted shows everything for one side including the braces.
from what I have been able to understand on the 63 modale the front of the fender is 63 the rear is 59. the hood is the same way both are shorter then either a 59 or 63 passenger car would be. as they used the 59 cowls up to 64 with out having sets off a car to compare saying that they used any of the inner fender pieces in any given set of years would be hard. sure that 63 and 64 would swap but not enough to put money on it. if I had a stock car to go look at and could buy one for 10 bucks I might try that. but my experience tells me I would rather try a stock one off a 59 or 60 first as that is what the cowl is. of course providing they look the same shape on the end that bolts to what you have. it looks to me like anything that bolts to the cowl is 59 and the rest is changed to marry up to that. same as the dash. 63 in the center and a set of rubber 59 ends to marry it to the 59 cowl.
most of your photo programs have the free hand brush so you and write on the pictures when you edit them.
from what I have been able to understand on the 63 modale the front of the fender is 63 the rear is 59. the hood is the same way both are shorter then either a 59 or 63 passenger car would be. as they used the 59 cowls up to 64 with out having sets off a car to compare saying that they used any of the inner fender pieces in any given set of years would be hard. sure that 63 and 64 would swap but not enough to put money on it. if I had a stock car to go look at and could buy one for 10 bucks I might try that. but my experience tells me I would rather try a stock one off a 59 or 60 first as that is what the cowl is. of course providing they look the same shape on the end that bolts to what you have. it looks to me like anything that bolts to the cowl is 59 and the rest is changed to marry up to that. same as the dash. 63 in the center and a set of rubber 59 ends to marry it to the 59 cowl.
most of your photo programs have the free hand brush so you and write on the pictures when you edit them.
took a couple of pictures today so you can see what is missing. the piece of inner fender mounts to the cowl and to the lower side of the fender for it's support. it holds the rubber splash shield also. ties the hood hinge to the body and keeps the mud from packing between the fender and the cowl. did they loose both of them for you or only the right side.
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ummmm, I think I misplace the right side piece....I want to blame the body guy, but I remember seeing it a couple years ago wondering where it went on the car.....dumb dumb dumb. I save EVERYTHING, who knows, it could still show up. Thanks for the detail pics...by the way, do you have the stainless hold downs for the piece between the seat and back for the 63? I noticed they hadn't been installed yet.
the seat belt anchors? stainless steel hold down things doesn't ring a bell. so far I'm only short two pieces on the bulk head. they have to be in that shed somewhere. I know I have had my hand on them. post a picture and I can reference what we are talking about. they added a lot of stuff to the hearse combo trim wise that is left off the ambulance. if we are talking about the locking tab for the bat wings? the pices that fill the gab between the seat and hide the junk tossed in there. they we not on the car. no holes in the tin under them eather. so I guessed this one never had them. most of the ambulances I have done did not have that filler eather. got no Ida whay on this 63 they are there. but we are not done yet. all maner of strange stuff to still show up.
Bat wings,,,,,yes. That must be the technical term. I have them, they kinda flip up and hold the wing next the seat. Kinda worthless. I just assumed all had them, what year did they start bat wings? Curious. My spare sits behind passeger because blowers behind driver.
you have air conditioning.