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Dana Bennett

PCS Life Member
Ok, if this works check out this link (and by all means someone please post the pictures before and during (during pictures are posted on the 2nd page), I have not yet looked at all the pictures to see if there are any "after". WAS a nice '67?? I was glad to see some of the other members there not happy about what happened to it!! Does anybody here know where this car came from?? I know pictures can hid a lot but this one really looks clean!!!


http://srt.suddenlaunch.com/index.cgi?board=gm&num=1269654997&action=display&start=0

Dana.
 
It WAS a beautiful 1968 Superior ...

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Kevin they put much newer Impala bumpers on it, you can see the holes for rubber trim so the only thing that they spared was the original bumpers...

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Quote from another demo derby member in the forum!
What a waste. I hope you get two hits out if it.
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They won the feature... yay

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What a shame... it's embarassing to even link the photos of this.
Dana this took place in Canada so maybe someone up there recognizes it?
 
Dwayne Brooks said:
Kevin they put much newer bumpers on it, you can see the holes for rubber trim so the only thing that they spared was the original bumpers...
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I know the whole bumper was replaced with what looks like a Caprice bumper. I was asking about the front bumper ends in the first "before" picture. If you compare that original bumper to any other 1968 bumper ... they are different.
 
Kevin M. Parkinson said:
I know the whole bumper was replaced with what looks like a Caprice bumper. I was asking about the front bumper ends in the first "before" picture. If you compare that original bumper to any other 1968 bumper ... they are different.
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Ok gotcha bud. Sharp eye picking that out! That is a very unusual front bumper, never seen that treatment. After looking closer at the "before" picture you can notice the little round side marker lights on the front fenders & rear quarters, this was mandatory for all coaches entering Canada at that time... so this was originally shipped to Canada. Thanks for pointing that bumper out Kevin!
 
it's not the same car in the before and after photo. there is a lot of rust in the after car. you can see it when they are preparing the car. a superior would have been a poor choice to derby as you can see by the quarter hits. it will really cave in fast. so rest easy my boys they did not derby the car in the first picture but the parts car they used to rebuilt the first one. that's why the bumper change and all of that. the roofs are different on the cars to. "can any one say got chew":yum:
 
John ED Renstrom said:
it's not the same car in the before and after photo. there is a lot of rust in the after car. you can see it when they are preparing the car. so rest easy my boys they did not derby the car in the first picture but the parts car they used to rebuilt the first one. that's why the bumper change and all of that. the roofs are different on the cars to. "can any one say got chew":yum:
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That is why I originally said I didn't find an "after" photo. But now that you mention it and I took a closer look.... I think it is the same car. The car they are prepping for the derby doesn't look to have much rust but a lot of welded-in supports. The ready to go car has the same left rear rim as the smashed up car.
 
Kevin M. Parkinson said:
That is why I originally said I didn't find an "after" photo. But now that you mention it and I took a closer look.... I think it is the same car. The car they are prepping for the derby doesn't look to have much rust but a lot of welded-in supports. The ready to go car has the same left rear rim as the smashed up car.
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Unfortunately I agree, I too believe it is the same coach before, during and after. I would like to know, were ALL Superiors of that model left with open rear quarter window openings and then they were covered over for a landau?? or did this person just cut the openings where the inside framing was??

I too noticed the front bumper and liked the bumper ends but am not familiar enough with these years to have known if it was common or special?? And I thought those were little side markers in the "before" picture!! I remember first seeing them mentioned on here a few months ago when a particular coach was being discussed!! I kinda think they are neat but would really have to see them in person to know if I really liked them or not.

Dana.
 
Kevin M. Parkinson said:
But now that you mention it and I took a closer look.... I think it is the same car. The car they are prepping for the derby doesn't look to have much rust but a lot of welded-in supports. The ready to go car has the same left rear rim as the smashed up car.
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The before car is a landau yet the derby car is a limousine type ...
 
I have to agree with Chris I think it is the same car. Isn't it time the demo people move up to newer cars instead of reliving the stories they have heard from past demo people. I had a very nice rust free example of a 1974 Buick clam shell wagon that was previously a corner's car out west. When I sold the car it drew 4200.00 on EBay. I figures it was safe from the demo people. After the guy payed me for the car and loaded it up, he told me he bought the car to demo. I was sick!
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My wife's cousin is very much in to demo derbys. We were talking last weekend and he was explaining which cars are better suited to demos. He told me that middle 70's GM full size cars are the best. They have a full frame, and when hit, they "roll up" on the ends, making a "shield" that prevents a lot of further damage. Oddly enough, the next best thing is an AMC Javelin, damned if I know why, something about a very solid full frame and other details.

Just passing along info gathered at the big bash last weekend. A birthday party for a 10 year old that started at 1400 and went until 0230, went through 4+ cases of beer and a whole lot of jello shots. Best kids birthday party I've ever been to.
 
I think someone should start a rumor that hearses are very unsafe for demo derbies. Or try and get derbies to not let hearses enter. If I hear anybody say anything about demo derbying a hearse after :puking: I tell them most hearses are fiberglass, whether it be true or not.
 
nice try to out guess it but it's definitely two different cars. none one pays 4200 for a derby car. they are up to a grand now though. but I'll bet the look on you face when he told you that was worth the price he payed for the car. look again at he two cars were they are both mid 60s superior they is way to may things different about them. no one with a tourch does that good a job or cutting out that back glass opening. it's right on the money. but the big question I have is why is it importent that he did??
 
they are both the same hearse they both have the same emblem on the back door which doesnt seem factory and the same interior color and the same modified back bumper and same 76 front bumper, same headers coming out the hood.
 
they both have the same emblem on the back door which doesnt seem factory
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If is the same then it was a 68 Crown Royale same as my 68 ,except mine is a 3-way.The emblem is a crown emblem 60,s where huge and got smaller by 68.
 

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Chris Elzie said:
they are both the same hearse they both have the same emblem on the back door which doesnt seem factory and the same interior color and the same modified back bumper and same 76 front bumper, same headers coming out the hood.
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Unless I missed it somewhere, there is no picture of the car in question from the rear BEFORE it started to get cut up/prepped for derbying.

I think people are getting confused here. We have ONE picture of a nice looking hearse that was supposedly cut up for derbying. Then we have a bunch of pictures of a hearse under construction for derbying that looks very similar to the nice one, but not exact (rear window openings). Then we have a bunch of pictures of a car that had been run in a derby and smashed up, which is painted black.

The point some people are trying to make is that the grey car shown being prepared for a derby was likely a parts car used in the restoration of the nice car that there is 1 picture of. It was then painted black and run in a derby, resulting in the third group of pictures seen.

Clear as mud. Until I see more pictures that is the theory I'm going with...
 
Here's four decent late-models at the same event the other one was supposedly being prepped for. Apparently this is a regular occurence:

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well, here is the scoop!!!

Turns out that YES, it IS the same car!!!!
However, it was NOT in as good shape as it appeared.

I wrote the owner and he nicely responded to me, he also send me some pictures but being I am on dial-up it will take a little while to download them!!!
Here is Alain's E-mail:

"hello dana
yes is the same car

the reason why is end there
back pillar is completly rusted inside
the back fender to
full of putty
need a complete inspection(car last hit the road in 95)
i dont cut any metal for better view
discoved windows hidden in back part of roof(old ambulance)

back window (back)is in plexiglass

for what i known car is from andree de la durantay funeral house at cap st ignace

for the 4 hearse in video
only one is in descent shape for road
all 4 is from a junkyard near montreal city


most of part are be saved by a guy from lac st jean

thnak for your interest"


So there we have it folks!!!
Dana Bennett.
Forestville,NY
 
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