Stalin's Packard

Russan Packard

It would be very interesting to know who built this Packard. If was done on this side of the pond, H&E ,Henny or in Rusky Land. Much can be said of Packards involvement with the Ruskys through Lend Lease FDR and more.
 
A quick look at Wikipedia seems to indicate Soviet domestic production of the Packard lookalikes didn't start until late in WW2,and those cars look more like 1942 models.I would think this one is American.For a classless society,the Sovs sure had a lot of class when it came to high-end transportation!
 
They were body dies for the 1939 to 1942 cars given away due to the Clipper 1941 body going to 1950. 1941 and 1942 were years when both bodies available here. No motor or power train went Large Tractor motors were the power not the silky 356 cubic inch PMCC motor. Believe deal was arranged by FDR to help our good relationship with Stalin.
 
Isn't this museum, "Historic Auto Attractions", the same museum that features the "Lee Harvey Oswald" ambulance that doesn't look much like the one of "that day", and several other autos of questionable provenance?

Is it possible that this is simply a Packard limo that was never owned by Stalin?

Or is it really a stolen Stalin? :rolleyes:
 
The ZIS models were NOT made from Packard dies. That's just an old urban legend. Body proportions are different, and parts won't interchange according to the Packard club website.
 
After reading Brians Post I started some head scratching. So I went to the expert George Hamlin I stand corrected the following is a direct copy paste of his email to me.
"Absolutely correct. I had lots of, um, discussions with Bob Turnquist about
this but could not get him to come off that legend, which essentially, he
started. I measured some of these cars, both over here and in Russia after it
opened up; even without measuring, you can see they copied - sorry, derived -
the bodies after GM styling. Dies don't make approximations; they make exact
pieces.

About all I could do was state that emphatically in my Cormorant ZIS piece for
PAC and get the AQ book corrected."
So there you have it they were copies NOT replicas. Not Packards dies but "derived" from Packard 1942
 
One major difference is the bottom of the ZIS-110 body covers the running boards, and generally has a more "full figured" and heavier look. Windshield slope differs as well.

And, IIRC, engineering is made to Metric specifications.

Dimension drawings can be found online.
 
Aw c'mon, only one person liked my "stolen Stalin" joke? I thought it was very clever.

I need a drink. Vodka. Stoli.

Then I can have stolen-Stalin Stoli. :yum:

Sometimes, I crack myself up! :rolleyes:
 
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