Oneal Ambulance .....

Is this new news or old????? while on my other web site scalefirehouse.com a member there has some history about the real Oneal ford ambulance. this is what was posted.

sacmankc135

"Being from Dallas/Fort Worth let me give you a tidbit, the lettering; all capitols on that ambulance were Red with a white body. An interesting deal for me was the tall gentleman black hair, white shirt and white socks handling the stretcher was Bob Abernathy, he lived next door to my Grandfather and parked that same unit in his driveway when he came home (things were a little more relaxed in those days), and had some more interesting stories to tell. I took photos with the brownie while it was in his driveway after that week, I'll try to locate them. The motorcade passed 6 blocks from Oneal funeral home and we (all of 15) were standing on that corner when Kennedy went by, about 5 miles from downtown. Now this piece brings back memories."

I then asked him about these pictures.....

The one in a museum
Hosted on Fotki

The one im building.....
Hosted on Fotki


This was his reply.

sacmankc135

"The one in the museum is not real, the car is not the same unit, it is a replica and/or a fake. The original was totaled in a rain storm @ Oak Lawn and Lemmon 3 blocks from the funeral home and 3 blocks from where I was standing to see Kennedy and scrapped a year after Oswald's pickup at City Hall. Bob received a broken wrist and several other small fractures in the crash. That is a station wagon converted into a look alike. The actual ambulance had four doublesided lollipops. two on each side, a Q in the center, and the model 17 with a red dome which housed 3 bulbs to the rear over the center of the car, as you are building it. The base of the 17 was not as high on the original car, as it appears on the model. I have that style beacon light in our museum I can measure if you'd like for exact dimensions, but I believe the entire height of that unit is 11" tall and 10" diameter with the 3 light setup including base, Model #173, 3 lamp. Bob later went on too run the fleet of ambulances for Sparkman & Hillcrest Funeral home and they had the city contract before the Fire Department went into the EMT and then the Paramedic program. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLF9_Hp-[/ame] ... re=related about 2:31 frame is a better view of the unit. You can see that the beacon is not any higher than the Q. The whip antenna was mounted above the drivers side tail light too the body. Also Black wall tires. It also had ONEAL in red on the center of back tail gate just above chrome strip. It was a pure white and not a off white unit.
Also what was interesting is that Bob also answered the call of Father Huber who gave last rites to Kennedy, who then had a heart attack, and later on down the road died of old age, and Ruby's transport to hospital from jail. But I digress!
What museum is that in?"

Do we know were the Oneal Ford with the twin beacons is now so i can let my friend know?????
 
the 61 ford wagon with the twin 17s on it is in a museum in IL if I'm not mistaken. they are the ones that claim to have a real ghost busters car also.
it comes up now and then so I know some one out there know the exact location of it.
 
Not to beat a dead horse here :beatdeadhorse5: but....there is another thread somewhere on this site that discusses a lot of what we are talking about here. That thread is from about a year or so ago. Also, if you read the information provided on the two links shown in a previous post in this thread, they do not state that the car in the museum is the car. They only make a few factual statements that are general but no doubt in an attempt to mislead the reader into thinking their car is the one. The devil is in the details, especially when it comes to grammar.
 
Chris, this is excellent information. I was pretty sure that the car in the museum was a falsehood (hmm, sounds like another car we know), but I know it has been said to be the actual car when it's been auctioned in the past.

Do you know who the speaker/writer is? I'd like to get that in writing, and/or find photos. Like the other ambulance, the more facts and documents we have, the better to refute some of these outrageous claims in the future.

...they do not state that the car in the museum is the car. They only make a few factual statements that are general but no doubt in an attempt to mislead the reader into thinking their car is the one...
They've sure tried to say it was the one in the past.
...The devil is in the details, especially when it comes to grammar.
Yeah, it's like trying to define what "is" is.
 
I chatted with a fellow who sais he has the 63 Limo used in the Kennedy funeral. Sais it was state owned, and has ducumentation.
 
Chris, this is excellent information. I was pretty sure that the car in the museum was a falsehood (hmm, sounds like another car we know), but I know it has been said to be the actual car when it's been auctioned in the past.

Do you know who the speaker/writer is? I'd like to get that in writing, and/or find photos. Like the other ambulance, the more facts and documents we have, the better to refute some of these outrageous claims in the future.

They've sure tried to say it was the one in the past.
Yeah, it's like trying to define what "is" is.

Steve ill forward the contact info for you. glad I can help
 
I chatted with a fellow who sais he has the 63 Limo used in the Kennedy funeral. Sais it was state owned, and has ducumentation.

That's one of how many? Looking at my Kennedy books there are 5 cadillac limousines before the caisson. Following the caisson is the Kennedy's Ghia Imperial Limousine and at least seven more cadiilac limousines. I watched the Funeral on TV and I know there had to be way more that what I mentioned here.
 
Is this new news or old????? while on my other web site scalefirehouse.com a member there has some history about the real Oneal ford ambulance. this is what was posted.

sacmankc135

"Being from Dallas/Fort Worth let me give you a tidbit, the lettering; all capitols on that ambulance were Red with a white body. An interesting deal for me was the tall gentleman black hair, white shirt and white socks handling the stretcher was Bob Abernathy, he lived next door to my Grandfather and parked that same unit in his driveway when he came home (things were a little more relaxed in those days), and had some more interesting stories to tell. I took photos with the brownie while it was in his driveway after that week, I'll try to locate them. The motorcade passed 6 blocks from Oneal funeral home and we (all of 15) were standing on that corner when Kennedy went by, about 5 miles from downtown. Now this piece brings back memories."

I then asked him about these pictures.....

The one in a museum
Hosted on Fotki

The one im building.....
Hosted on Fotki


This was his reply.

sacmankc135

"The one in the museum is not real, the car is not the same unit, it is a replica and/or a fake. The original was totaled in a rain storm @ Oak Lawn and Lemmon 3 blocks from the funeral home and 3 blocks from where I was standing to see Kennedy and scrapped a year after Oswald's pickup at City Hall. Bob received a broken wrist and several other small fractures in the crash. That is a station wagon converted into a look alike. The actual ambulance had four doublesided lollipops. two on each side, a Q in the center, and the model 17 with a red dome which housed 3 bulbs to the rear over the center of the car, as you are building it. The base of the 17 was not as high on the original car, as it appears on the model. I have that style beacon light in our museum I can measure if you'd like for exact dimensions, but I believe the entire height of that unit is 11" tall and 10" diameter with the 3 light setup including base, Model #173, 3 lamp. Bob later went on too run the fleet of ambulances for Sparkman & Hillcrest Funeral home and they had the city contract before the Fire Department went into the EMT and then the Paramedic program. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLF9_Hp- ... re=related about 2:31 frame is a better view of the unit. You can see that the beacon is not any higher than the Q. The whip antenna was mounted above the drivers side tail light too the body. Also Black wall tires. It also had ONEAL in red on the center of back tail gate just above chrome strip. It was a pure white and not a off white unit.
Also what was interesting is that Bob also answered the call of Father Huber who gave last rites to Kennedy, who then had a heart attack, and later on down the road died of old age, and Ruby's transport to hospital from jail. But I digress!
What museum is that in?"

Do we know were the Oneal Ford with the twin beacons is now so i can let my friend know?????

The one in the Illinois museum is obviously a "clone" of the original. Watch this original video (just over one minute long) and you'll see the original leaving Dallas City Hall after the shooting with Oswald inside. Note the original had four "pancake" lights (two on each side of the Federal siren) and a single rotator mounted mid-roof.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xU7Lhd7Wwo[/ame]

Fred Carlton
 
Maybe this would be more of a question for Skip from Texas... but while we discussing authenicity with movie cars... are the roof lights and siren on the Dallas Police Car in "Killing Kennedy" on the other thread under that title accurate? MM
 
Close enough but if im not mistaken the car used in Killing Kennedy is a Galaxie... and Dallas used the Ford custom.. with a molding on the side.. have to check
 
At the Hudson Ohio International meet I gave Steve Lichtman a copy of the book "the torch is passed" excellent book with many pictures of the funeral procession,I also gave away my other copy, but now its on my list of books to find, the one picture shows the motorcade crossing the bridge with the capital building in the background,
 
I saw the car listed above when it was auctioned at Kruse years ago. You can see where the pancake lights were removed along with the beacon in the roof. A museum in Florida added those other lights later for a display. Atleast thats what Kruse said. There were holes in the roof where the lights in the original picture would of been. I remember they had a statement from the driver of the ambulance the day it transported Oswald. He stated that was the car. It followed the history and they had a copy of the title and vin number when it was titled to Oneal. Not saying it was or wasn't but it did have paperwork and holes in the roof!
 
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