Alert, Alert! Stolen vintage sirens and steam whistles.

Skip Goulet - Deceased 1945 - 2018

August 19, 1945 - July 26, 2018
I got a call from my longtime friend, Harold Welch in Gorman, TX. Harold is a retired volunteer fire chief and avid siren collector.

He has been in a Ft. Worth hospital the past two months, but went home suddenly yesterday only to discover that his daughters had stolen his entire siren collection, several antique steam whistles and nine show tractors, some of which had sirens.

There were at least 50 sirens taken which included several B&Ms, two Hedbergs, two CAMS, one 12-volt Sterlng SL30 and several Sterling 20s, both voltages. Unknown on the steam whistles.

The younger daughter lives in Antlers, OK, so they may head there. The older had lived in Stephenville, 30 mi. east of Gorman.

Texas and Oklahoma authorities have been notified.

Please watch out for a sudden glut in vintage sirens hitting the market.

Thanks.
 
That is really an awful thing to have happen. The worst part is that they probably sold the stuff for pennies on the dollar and then smoked, snorted, or shot the proceeds.

Best of luck to your friend, Skip.
 
ain't kids just a joy to behold. makes a man kid of proud knowing they are yours.

can you say sheriff and life lessons learn boy and girls.
 
That is really an awful thing to have happen. The worst part is that they probably sold the stuff for pennies on the dollar and then smoked, snorted, or shot the proceeds.

Best of luck to your friend, Skip.

Thanks, Bill. I agree with you on that. The sad thought that has occured to me is that there's no telling when the actual theft may have occured. Harold has been laid up since July with an ongoing problem; and at nearly 80 that has been devastating. The older daughter, Laura, has been living in the house, so she could've gotten all of that done as soon as he went to the hospital. I had spoken to him a couple of weeks before his trip to the hospital, and when I hadn't heard from him in some time and his phone just rang constantly, not even triggering the answering machine, I suspected something was wrong. So I called the police in Gorman who informed me that he was in the hospital again; they just didn't know which one. During convesation the young lady I spoke to me had mentioned that she had done some notary work for Harold and Laura. I suspect he unwittingly gave her some sort of power of attorney. He has learned that they never expected him to return home, as they were going to put him in a nursing home and leave him there. Surprise, surprise!
 
Thanks, everyone for all the comments and support. I didn't talk to Harold yesterday because he was going to be tied up with attornies and law enforcement. Hopefully I'll talk to him tonight.

As I said in my reply to Bill above, this could've occured two months ago, since it seems they had no intention of his ever going home again.
 
Hey Skip. I know you are good friends of Mr. Welch. I don't know him or his family at all. But perhaps there is another side to the story.

As someone who recently spent a lot of time taking care of my ill father (and, some years ago, my ill grandmother), I can tell you that you do the best you can for them. What needs to be done for their best interest may not necessarily be what appears best to them or to outsiders.

He may not have wanted to go into a nursing home. But to say they were going to "put him in a nursing home and leave him there" makes it sound like they were going to abandon him. Maybe they were. Or maybe they understood that he would need more care than he could provide himself or that they could provide him. I had to "put my father in a nursing home" last year. He didn't want it. But in truth, it was the best thing for him and for me. His needs exceeded my ability (and I have far more ability to provide care than most folks). Fortunately, Dad realized that it was best for him, after a while.

The same is true with someone's property. Really, this man is 80 and it sounds like he is in poor health. He may even be confused or even have early dementia. Will he be doing anything with his sirens? Dad did no work on our ambulances in the last years. And maybe Mr. Welch "unwittingly" gave his daughter Power of Attorney, or maybe he did so voluntarily. He should have. If you are sick and can't make decisions for yourself, someone needs to.

My father and I took care of Power of Attorney and most of these paperwork matters ahead of time - except one. He didn't sign over the titles of the ambulances in his name to me before he died. Now I am going through a huge hassle to get the titles transferred, even though the Will was clear. If we had done that before hand, it would have been simple (and tax-free) to transfer them over. I can't even take those ambulances (the '60 Flxible Buick, '57 Desoto, and '64 Superior Pontiac) out on the road for now, until this resolves.

From the point of view of someone who cared for an ill family member, I see it from the other side. Why would she "steal" the sirens? If he's not going to be using them, isn't it best to sell them - maybe she needs to use the money for his care? You can't pay hospital bills with sirens, they only take cash.

I don't know her, or him. For all I know, she could be a conniving b!+@# who is using her father's money to buy booze or drugs. Or perhaps she is doing the best thing for her father.
 
Hey Skip. I know you are good friends of Mr. Welch. I don't know him or his family at all. But perhaps there is another side to the story.

As someone who recently spent a lot of time taking care of my ill father (and, some years ago, my ill grandmother), I can tell you that you do the best you can for them. What needs to be done for their best interest may not necessarily be what appears best to them or to outsiders.

He may not have wanted to go into a nursing home. But to say they were going to "put him in a nursing home and leave him there" makes it sound like they were going to abandon him. Maybe they were. Or maybe they understood that he would need more care than he could provide himself or that they could provide him. I had to "put my father in a nursing home" last year. He didn't want it. But in truth, it was the best thing for him and for me. His needs exceeded my ability (and I have far more ability to provide care than most folks). Fortunately, Dad realized that it was best for him, after a while.

The same is true with someone's property. Really, this man is 80 and it sounds like he is in poor health. He may even be confused or even have early dementia. Will he be doing anything with his sirens? Dad did no work on our ambulances in the last years. And maybe Mr. Welch "unwittingly" gave his daughter Power of Attorney, or maybe he did so voluntarily. He should have. If you are sick and can't make decisions for yourself, someone needs to.

My father and I took care of Power of Attorney and most of these paperwork matters ahead of time - except one. He didn't sign over the titles of the ambulances in his name to me before he died. Now I am going through a huge hassle to get the titles transferred, even though the Will was clear. If we had done that before hand, it would have been simple (and tax-free) to transfer them over. I can't even take those ambulances (the '60 Flxible Buick, '57 Desoto, and '64 Superior Pontiac) out on the road for now, until this resolves.

From the point of view of someone who cared for an ill family member, I see it from the other side. Why would she "steal" the sirens? If he's not going to be using them, isn't it best to sell them - maybe she needs to use the money for his care? You can't pay hospital bills with sirens, they only take cash.

I don't know her, or him. For all I know, she could be a conniving b!+@# who is using her father's money to buy booze or drugs. Or perhaps she is doing the best thing for her father.

Thanks for your comments, Steve. Until I got to the end of your comments, I had been a bit insensed by what you had said, until you qualified yourself at the end.

You know I've had my share of working with seniors over the years: once at a nursing home as an "orderly" back then, and at an extended care hospital in Lubbock. As I've mentioned in the past, we had my dad in an assisted living place in Midland...although he would've been better off in a nursing home. Because of a series of light strokes that he had suffered, one of them during open heart surgery, he went downhill quite quickly. We had an attorney who had been a longtime family friend appointed to handle his business and other legal affairs. By the time he died just before his 81st birthday, his mental status had deteriorated drastically.

But in Harold's case, this just isn't so. I spoke to him when he got home last week. He called me to let me know what had happened. I agree that at nearly 80 he can have some "senior moments", but I do that myself. Because of the blockage I had prior to my open heart surgery in 2004, I have fits with short term memory on occasion. Everyone here knows how I like to tell old "war" stories, and on occasion I can be in themiddle of a story, and if I'm momentarilly distracted I'll forget what I was wanting to say, only to remember a minute or so later.

Harold, unfortunately, has had problems with his daughters in the past, and had commented to me that he didn't want them inheriting any of his estate. I told him then that he needed to have that done legally with an attorney and specified in his will. That, I don't think, ever happened. I had spoken to the older daughter, Laura, right after this last hospital stay, and she had even mentioned that she knew that if anything were to happen to Harold, the siren collection was to be mine. But to that end, I'm not of aware of any of that actually being in writing.

As to my comment about them wanting to "dump" him off in a nusing home, that came from him. He had been informed by nursing staff at the hospital before he left that they were surprised because the daughters had already made "arrangements". Imagine his surprise when he returned home to find an almost-empty house.

Aside from the sirens and steam whistles and tractors, he also lost a larg coin collection, several guitars and other items from the house. Some of those things have been recovered. The daughters have fled to Antlers, OK, and he was told by someone who had been in contact with them that the sirens were with them and were gong to be auctioned off in Antlers sometime this week. Since law enforcement is now involved, hopefully that won't happen.

Regardless of the outcome, it's just sad when someone can't trust their own kids, adult or not.
 
On the first page James had asked if the sirens were restored. All of his B&Ms were restored, as well as one of the 77Gs. He had a large number of the small EG/WG type sirens, and I know that some of them were restored, but some were also just good for parts. Over the past year he had bought two or three sirens from my friend Barry McRoy, the fire cheif in Walterboro, SC. I've contacted Barry to see if has a record of exactly what Harold bought from him. Hopefully I'll hear something soon.
 
Update

I spoke to Harold over the weekend. He has recovered three of his tractors. He was told by one of the daughters that the sirens were boxed up and ready for return; but when he talked to the son-in-law he was informed that all the sirens have been sold. To whom and/or where, he wouldn't say.

Harold had agreed to drop charges if everything is returned. But I'm not sure which way he will go at the moment. He let me know that he is heartsick,but they are his kids and that makes him reluctant to pursue the legal action.

Last word was that they were in Antlers, OK.
 
Another update 10/11/13

I spoke to Harold a couple of days ago, and he has begun to regain the strength lost during his lengthy hospital stay.

Last weekend he had spoken to one of the daughters in OK who told him that the sirens were boxed up and ready to return. When they never showed up he called them and the son-in-law said, "What sirens? They were sold before Laura left Texas." So if that's true, the sirens didn't make it to Oklahoma. Laura, the older daughter, had lived in Stephenville, about 30 mi. east of Harold. From that point she could've well gone into Ft. Worth or back NW to Abilene. Local, county and state are trying to find out where they may be. The girls won't 'fess up' to where they sold all of the sirens and the steam whistles.
 
Harold Welch....deceased

I spoke to Harold's longtime friend and caregiver, Louise, around noon today, and she let me know that Harold passed away late Monday. He was buried earlier today in Knox County, TX. Louise had misplaced my phone number, and when I called today to check on Harold I got the bad news.

I had known Harold for more than 45 years. He was assistant fire chief and later fire chief in Seagraves, TX, when I first met him. He replaced my late cousin Jeff Singleton as chief c.1970.

He was an avid collector of old sirens and steam whistles: the theft of which by his daughters was the reason for this thread.

I understand that the sheriff's office in Eastland Co. now know where at least some of the sirens and whistles have gone. Some of the sirens were mine that he had been "tinkering" with just prior to his ongoing illness almost a year ago. I'm not sure about the chances of recovering anything.

Harold was not only a good friend, but my "adopted" father...since both my parents have been gone for many years. He will be missed.
 
Sorry to hear about Harold he sounded like a good guy and a good friend.

too bad his family were CROOKS !

remember .what goes around comes around !! they will get their's in the end
 
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