A little help
- Thread starter Bill Carlin
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Mike Stevens
PCS Member
federal beacon
Bill,
PM me so we can discuss this more.
Mike
Bill,
PM me so we can discuss this more.
Mike
John ED Renstrom
PCS Member
more then a 17 less then a 174. 17 in that condition go from around 75 to 125. a 174 will bring around 175 - 200. some one looking for one may of course offer more.
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I need some help with information in regards to beacons as well. We are awaiting our 1969 Sovereign getting out of the body shop here in the next days coming and the coach is a combination with the toggle plate rocker switchs in the roof and two holes in the roof where the beacon mounts. We would like to reinstall a beacon, but unsure of what model that we should be searching for. The two holes in the roof are just front and back of each other and they are close together. Bills beacon is on a 1966 ambulance and I believe it is a Model 73. Will this beacon fit a 1966 Superior to a 1969 Superior? Thank You in advance, whom ever may help with my search and decision. And I am interested in buying the beacon from Bill if I can determine the proper application and hole pattern is the same.
I need some help with information in regards to beacons as well. We are awaiting our 1969 Sovereign getting out of the body shop here in the next days coming and the coach is a combination with the toggle plate rocker switchs in the roof and two holes in the roof where the beacon mounts. We would like to reinstall a beacon, but unsure of what model that we should be searching for. The two holes in the roof are just front and back of each other and they are close together. Bills beacon is on a 1966 ambulance and I believe it is a Model 73. Will this beacon fit a 1966 Superior to a 1969 Superior? Thank You in advance, whom ever may help with my search and decision. And I am interested in buying the beacon from Bill if I can determine the proper application and hole pattern is the same.
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John ED Renstrom
PCS Member
any of the round dome ones would be correct. your never wrong with a 17 that was the standard the 173 has 3 bulbs the 174 4 bulbs and the 175 the 2 tilted 2 level all came in the demountable. your superior had a long oval that covered the holes were the light went. remove it, wire went in one the stud for the wing nut the other. you get wanting drop me a line.
I can help with that emblem.
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Thats Beautiful! Here I thought a polished brass plate would of been like eye candy. That is over the top amazing that a nomenclature plate would be so ornate. Duely noted in regards to the plate offer if I negotiate the purchase of the beacon from Bill Carlin and a new restoration specialist contact hopefully in yourself. Thank You, Jack. I am quite focused in the details of restoration and strongly feel that it is forgoatten aspect. I can appreciate the factor of over restored as Ed Renstrom points out occasionally, but I do the hobby for myself more so than for show or judging.
Thats Beautiful! Here I thought a polished brass plate would of been like eye candy. That is over the top amazing that a nomenclature plate would be so ornate. Duely noted in regards to the plate offer if I negotiate the purchase of the beacon from Bill Carlin and a new restoration specialist contact hopefully in yourself. Thank You, Jack. I am quite focused in the details of restoration and strongly feel that it is forgoatten aspect. I can appreciate the factor of over restored as Ed Renstrom points out occasionally, but I do the hobby for myself more so than for show or judging.
Bill Carlin
PCS Life Member
Thanks everyone...the light was sold within an hour of my posting. Thanks
Jim Vowell
PCS Life Member / CB Chapter President
Hmmmm
Michael,
Can you send me a picture of the hole pattern? Most demountable beacon rays had the wire come down through the stud that was threaded for the wing nut. If you miss out on the beacon ray for sale let me know....I have some available I think. Also to add to what John said:
model 17 had two bulbs
173 three bulbs
174 had four bulbs and oscillates 95 degrees
175 has four bulbs one tipped down and one up most famous from NYPD
176 like the 174 has four bulbs and rotates 360 degrees.
Michael,
Can you send me a picture of the hole pattern? Most demountable beacon rays had the wire come down through the stud that was threaded for the wing nut. If you miss out on the beacon ray for sale let me know....I have some available I think. Also to add to what John said:
model 17 had two bulbs
173 three bulbs
174 had four bulbs and oscillates 95 degrees
175 has four bulbs one tipped down and one up most famous from NYPD
176 like the 174 has four bulbs and rotates 360 degrees.
Jerry Jacobson
PCS Member
Superior used two holes on their demountable beacons. One for the wire (hot lead) and a smaller, solid, mounting stud (1/4") that you could not pass the wire through. M-M used a hollow stud (1/2") that the wire was passed through. On some coaches the hole for the wire was replaced by a button contact that was flush mounted on the roof and contact was made by a spring contact on the beacon.
Close call!
Jim, Thank you for your input. I have to begin by stating that no, I did not have the fortune of buying Bill's 17 style beacon. Bill did not know I was looking for one and I did not know Bill was selling his. I am still a rookie at forum protocol, I apologize for piggy backing on Bill's post. We are new friends and I know he would forgive me this discretion. Well, the older I get the more I learn to appreciate not always getting what I wish to buy and missing out at times. The loss of not being able to buy Bill's beacon, brought me the time to contemplate what beacon I truly would like to own and don ontop of our coach. Ed strongly recommended 17"s and I am always trying to be different and think outside the box, so I found that my favorite beacon styles were the "Hill Style" with red lamps back to back and white lamps back to back with one lamp aimed high and the opposite down, round dome. And the beacon I actually bought. Clear domes I found to be quite appealing and then my final criteria was to find a beacon that was a step away from traditional and feature a modern transition that realistically might of been installed on a 1969 coach instead of a typical offering of a 17 line of beacons. So I am now the proud owner of a 184 with clear dome and an " H " base. Unfortunately I wanted a trimmed base, already trimmed to our Superior roof line to save an added expense and a beacon that already was fitted with a dismount bracket. What I bought was an absolutely breath taking NOS beacon with a H base that I cannot bring myself to trim it is that nice. At this point in the project I ended up finding a dismount bracket and was preparing to expand the 1/4 roof hole to accomodate the 1/2 hollow shank with the wingnut to be able to be to install. Jerry Jacobson, Thank You, so much for your input in regards to the dismount bracket holes, that was a close call not running out to the body shop and drilling anything. I now know that there is such a thing as a M-M dismount bracket and a Superior bracket. Time to find the correct dismount bracket and a trimmed base. Here it goes, my Billy Crystal imitation. You guys are marvelous!
Jim, Thank you for your input. I have to begin by stating that no, I did not have the fortune of buying Bill's 17 style beacon. Bill did not know I was looking for one and I did not know Bill was selling his. I am still a rookie at forum protocol, I apologize for piggy backing on Bill's post. We are new friends and I know he would forgive me this discretion. Well, the older I get the more I learn to appreciate not always getting what I wish to buy and missing out at times. The loss of not being able to buy Bill's beacon, brought me the time to contemplate what beacon I truly would like to own and don ontop of our coach. Ed strongly recommended 17"s and I am always trying to be different and think outside the box, so I found that my favorite beacon styles were the "Hill Style" with red lamps back to back and white lamps back to back with one lamp aimed high and the opposite down, round dome. And the beacon I actually bought. Clear domes I found to be quite appealing and then my final criteria was to find a beacon that was a step away from traditional and feature a modern transition that realistically might of been installed on a 1969 coach instead of a typical offering of a 17 line of beacons. So I am now the proud owner of a 184 with clear dome and an " H " base. Unfortunately I wanted a trimmed base, already trimmed to our Superior roof line to save an added expense and a beacon that already was fitted with a dismount bracket. What I bought was an absolutely breath taking NOS beacon with a H base that I cannot bring myself to trim it is that nice. At this point in the project I ended up finding a dismount bracket and was preparing to expand the 1/4 roof hole to accomodate the 1/2 hollow shank with the wingnut to be able to be to install. Jerry Jacobson, Thank You, so much for your input in regards to the dismount bracket holes, that was a close call not running out to the body shop and drilling anything. I now know that there is such a thing as a M-M dismount bracket and a Superior bracket. Time to find the correct dismount bracket and a trimmed base. Here it goes, my Billy Crystal imitation. You guys are marvelous!
Sharing information
Another thing I learned in regards to 184's is that the factory literature reccomends a 5 inch base for trimming and suggests that the 3 inch is unsuitable. Recently, during a conversation with a member of the forum, it was told to me that a 3 inch base can be used for trimming, this is before I read the literature. Any truth to the statement?
Another thing I learned in regards to 184's is that the factory literature reccomends a 5 inch base for trimming and suggests that the 3 inch is unsuitable. Recently, during a conversation with a member of the forum, it was told to me that a 3 inch base can be used for trimming, this is before I read the literature. Any truth to the statement?
It depends on how much you are going to be trimming it.
John ED Renstrom
PCS Member
and were your going to trim it. we did not have much more then that left of Roberts. but he wanted then on the out side edge so we could haing the motors over the height curve.
184 beacon
I like the way the 17 on Paul and Julie Saether's coach was trimmed. It's the exact same coach as ours. A Sovereign limousine combination. Appears that they have quite a difference in skirt length from the front of the beacon to the rear. From the picture in the Northland chapter archives, of their Sovereign, it looks like a 3 inch would be to short for sure. Jim, the holes are front and back of each other and they are a 1/4 inch hole and just in front of it is a 1/8 inch hole. Jerry knew exactly what holes are on our Superior. Thanks again Jerry I did not really want to open up the hole to 1/2 just did not make sense to me that I had the correct dismount bracket in my hand.
I like the way the 17 on Paul and Julie Saether's coach was trimmed. It's the exact same coach as ours. A Sovereign limousine combination. Appears that they have quite a difference in skirt length from the front of the beacon to the rear. From the picture in the Northland chapter archives, of their Sovereign, it looks like a 3 inch would be to short for sure. Jim, the holes are front and back of each other and they are a 1/4 inch hole and just in front of it is a 1/8 inch hole. Jerry knew exactly what holes are on our Superior. Thanks again Jerry I did not really want to open up the hole to 1/2 just did not make sense to me that I had the correct dismount bracket in my hand.