58 Eureka Hearse

Darren
I was just lookin at this one on ebay. It looks like a 3 way with no table the rear floor looks split with what should be a channel down the middle of it. But the add says its a landau endloader am I seeing things or did I miss something. Hope it goes to a good home.
 
Jamie,
You are correct. It is/was definitely a 3-way loader. Seller doesn't know what he is talking about. I think about 75% of all surviving 3-ways have had the table pulled out. Destroys the value of the coach, in my opinion. Looks pretty solid and straight, but always makes me nervous when they have been sprayed as this on has been. This one is missing a lot of moldings, unless they were sprayed over as well.
 
most of the moldings. front door back are not on the car. should be a big brass one in the rear door and the spear with the tin wrap at the budge. rear door handles are missing also. but you see no holes? Florida title car in Colorado is just one more red flag. but the opening price makes it attractive the underside shots show a solid car and you see smoke from it running.


my guess is someone's attempt as customizing the car and they hung up on it before they got to the interior. or they got heavy into Colorado stuff and lost the incentive. it would have to be a look and see if the car could be but back or not.
 
Mike Burkhart said:
Please note feedback number and positive feedback. This is another red flag to me. This is one thing that I always watch, and it plays a big part in my decision to bid at all.
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Ever since eBay went to using the last 12 months feedback to calculate percentage, you have to dig a little deeper. In this case, seller has 1 negative and 39 positives, but has a 50% positive rating because there was only 1 neg and 1 pos in the last 12 months. Not the end of the world.

On the other hand, the same seller could have 39 negatives and one positive, but if there was only 1 positive in the last 12 months and no negatives, they would have a 100% positive rating. Fortunately a seller with that many negatives would be long gone before that would happen.
 
If anyone wants to buy this rare bird (missing table???) better go look at it or have someone with knowledge look. Note I provide copy paste of sellers negative feedback." Misrepresented 58 hearse,was very hostile on phone . "Beware" 3***3 ( 195Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
During past 6 months
Cadillac : Other Landau (#252021944014) US $1,626.00" Would seem its the same coach and previous buyer was very unhappy.
 
Wow, looks like I may need to rethink the price I'm asking for my '58! It may not be running right now, but it's 100% complete, rust free, and original.
 
I don't know that I would buy the "rust-free" part. The coach was supposedly in a hail storm that was bad enough to crack the windshield. If that were the case, there would have been significant dents related to that storm as well which were aparently "repaired" at some time. God only knows what all is hiding under that flat black spray job! I parted out a nicer '58 Eureka 3-Way back in the early '80s.
 
I saw the vehicle in person...I do not wish to be impolitic or disrespectful; I will simply state the facts as I observed them: the flat black paint is a household grade latex over what appears to have been a white coach...The windscreen is broken from seal to seal....According to the information that I received, the pics used in the auction were about 6-7 years old...the interior is atrocious...the front seat is not original or bolted in, and it is covered in vinyl that does not match any of the other vehicle's original interior in style, color, material or quality. There is no dash pad. The interior needs to be completely redone. Some of the interior is salvageable, most is not.;...the back of the coach is full of, what is described as, "all of the exterior trim", as well as a lot of trash. The table and all of its hardware is missing. All of the doors sag when opened and are hard closers. The vehicle was described as a vehicle that starts runs and drives...the vehicle was not able to be started when I was there...it does not appear that this vehicle has been driven in years. All four tires are flat, dry and cracked.

That said, the coach has potential in that it is a 1958 Cadillac Eureka landau that appears to have a body that is solid, without cancer. A once beautiful coach. There is some evidence of a repair with some deeper rust underneath on the roof toward the right front...other than that the rust on the body appears to be surface. The interior sconces are there...the landau bars are there...the exterior coach lights are there. The engine bay was nice looking and relatively clean. I believe that with a little effort and encouragement the vehicle could start and run...not sure how well. The underside of the engine is covered with various automotive fluids that have appeared to have leaked from multiple sources...Extensive, skilled automotive work would need to be done to get it drive-able.

It is my hope that the high bidder travels to see the vehicle before finalizing the sale. Paul brought up an excellent point in a different thread. He stated that ebay allows for nonbinding bids on real estate and vehicles. This is an excellent example of why one would want to bid based on an online description and finalize in person. One should at least have the vehicle checked out by an impartial third party if they cannot be present. For about $60-$100, one could have a mechanic take a look in person get some pictures, and an expert opinion.

Again, I mean no disrespect to the seller or to the high bidder of this coach. With a little love, and a lot of money, this coach could be stunning again. This coach represents a project that is within reach of a dedicated enthusiast.
 
"the pics used in the auction were about 6-7 years old"



This one thing should be reason enough to cancel the deal and ban the jerk from being able to use ebay.

It should be a must that they use photos taken within a week of posting the ad.

You should have posted your comments right after seeing the car in person before the end of the auction in case someone on this site was buying it.

Thanks for posting the facts,
Darren
 
The trouble with this kindle is you can put things were they don't belong. Ment this to fallow a not be Adam. There was a reason for the negative feed back. One look at the current condition agents the old pictures would do it for me
 
John ED Renstrom said:
No you better be putting it up on eBay
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There is no way to post something like that on ebay...

There was a time when there was a car for sale on ebay...a 1960 Lincoln...nice car...I called the phone number, spoke with the seller, and asked if I could have a mechanic come out and take a look...I gave the mechanic the contact info for the seller...the seller would not make an appointment with the mechanic. She kept on changing her availabilities and not committing to a time for the mechanic to come to her home...the seller kept procrastinating...I used google maps to see the address that I was given by the seller as her home address. It was an IHOP restaurant in the city, not a residence. I confirmed the address with the seller and asked why they would not coordinate with my mechanic. The seller hung up on me and stopped taking my calls. I called ebay to inform them of a possible fraudulent vehicle sale...The Ebay customer service rep said that they would not take the car off the site and, that if anything happened, they offer buyer protection.

It sucks, but it is the world that we live in...I choose not to behave like a dishonest jerk, and I maintain hope that good people will come my way. I feel good about the folks on this site, and I consider myself lucky to be a part of this group....Always have a car confirmed before any money is sent across the wires.
 
Kurt Arends said:
No one on this site is foolish enough to give $14,000 for that coach!
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I don't for one minute think that a legitimate transaction even took place on this coach.

It's too bad that with nearly 74,000 visits to this site in one month, we can't get more than about 2 dozen people to actually participate in these forums anymore.
 
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