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Old 05-15-2014, 09:36 AM
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The blue is nice,just seems 99% have a blue interior.
All the way through the '80s coachbuilders continued to offer so many interesting upholstery fabrics and colors. Then the '90s hit and they all started pushing that cheap, boring velour material with 99% of it being medium blue, regardless of the exterior color. I love the styling of the '93 through '96 coaches, but really don't care for their interiors. The coaches of the '80s have the coaches of the '90s beat in a big way when it comes to their interiors.
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I still think they're the nicest looking coaches of the last 35 years. And from what I've been told the Corvette engine is much more reliable than the Northstar engine, that's my reason for wanting a mid-90s Masterpiece.
96 masterpiece is the most beautifull coaches since the 70's in my opinion. Daniel skullys picture of the white one is magnificent. I agree about the blue interior. my eureka is white with the blue interior and its ok but I wish it was black or some other color.
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I agree with some others here, I HATE those ugly blue interiors, the coachbuilders must have gotten a great deal on that fabric. As for the Superior/S&S blended coaches, there have been a few built I know at least one had the Superior wreath and name instead of the S&S coachlights. If I remember right Tony Karsnia knows the whole story behind these
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I agree the interiors on the '93-'96 Fleetwoods were kind of disappointing. I had a '92 Brougham sedan that was triple "black sapphire" (i.e. navy blue) that had a beautiful, detailed leather interior (the standard w/ vertical pleats, not the over-the-top d'Elegance). I remember seeing the interior of the next generation cars and "what were they thinking?" came to mind as it looked quite bland compared to the previous cars. The hearses and ambulances are similar. One thought I had about this "Sover-piece" : was it wrecked when and repaired w/ some Superior trim parts? This could have been done with or without the owner's knowledge. Whoops, slip of the tongue-make that hearses and limousines! You can tell I'm of the era when "ambulances and hearses" was my favorite section of the yellow pages .
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This may be just hearsay. A while back one showed up online through a hearse dealer, the owner had wanted a Masterpiece when they came out with this style in '93. Thing was he only used Superiors. So he called up his dealer and order a Masterpiece with all superior markings. Could be the case here.
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This may be just hearsay. A while back one showed up online through a hearse dealer, the owner had wanted a Masterpiece when they came out with this style in '93. Thing was he only used Superiors. So he called up his dealer and order a Masterpiece with all superior markings. Could be the case here.
Now that you mentioned it, that sounds like the story that I heard, maybe I didn't hear it from Tony). Here are the pictures I have of two others. I have them both listed as 1993's.
It is strange it has not been snagged up yet, its been listed at least 6 months.
Ont thing about these cars, they always do something to throw us off sometimes, there is a Superior/Eagle Lincoln in my area.
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I believe I had previously posted photos of two of the cars John reviewed above. It is correct that some Superior customers wanted the same squared-off commercial glass styling that was intended to be S&S specific. Remember, at the time, Superior's Sovereign and Crown Sovereign were commercial glass cars, but with the aerodynamic windshield, roof, and A-pillars.

After a handful of these "Superior Masterpieces", I'll call them, were built, S&S dealers complained that this style was to be exclusively for S&S and so it was from that point on.

Notice that these "Superiors" don't have the S&S chrome grille bonnet.

Typical for professional cars in general, S&S and Superior tried to do anything they could to appease the customer. We have what appears to be a standard 1996 S&S Masterpiece, but when I received the original build sheets and paperwork, courtesy of Joe Bunn at Accubuilt, I was surprised to see that our car was special-ordered "coach lamp delete" meaning it had the Superior chrome wreaths on the "C" pillars instead of S&S coach lamps. The car has always been an S&S Masterpiece; the initial customer simply didn't care for coach lamps, apparently. The correct coach lamps were added ca. 1999 when the car went to its second home.

Incidentally, our Masterpiece has a black leather front interior and a Mulberry (dark plum) velour rear interior. Not a stitch of blue in sight!
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