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Most all of the early '50s pro cars you will find are still stick shift.
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The strangest one that I have ever encountered was a 1962 C/B Pontiac, with a V8 engine, 3 on the tree, no power steering or power brakes, but it did have air conditioning. I don't think that was a combination that Pontiac built many of.
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Where is this Pontiac now, Paul?
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I have no idea where it went, or if it even was sold. The pictures are at least 5 years old. The car has lots of rust on the lower end, but it does present well in pictures.
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Looks nice though!
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OK guess I am on stage on automatics. First was Buick in 1938 still had a clutch peddle but was an automatic. As far as the first no clutch peddle automatic goes yes Oldsmobile 1940, followed by Cadillac 1941 GM waited for Caddie and used Olds to make sure it was OK. The next was Buick Dynaflow in 1948 as an option only on the Roadmaster in 1949 it became on option on the Super standard on the Roadmaster (the stick was gone on the Roadmaster). Pontiac got Hydramatic in 1950. Chevrolet Powerglide in 1951 and I think some 50s got it late in the year.Late 1949 Ford a bit red faced over the GM three bit the bullet and bought Hydramatics from GM for only the Lincoln. Then in 1951 Ford came out with Fordamatic for their whole line except Lincoln which continued with Hydramatic thru 1955. In 1951 Packard brought out Ultramatic. There is a great story behind the Packard Ultramatic development if anybody is interested I can do a separate post on it. Studebaker in 1951 Bought an automatic from Borg Warner. Hudson bought Hydramatic from GM I think in 1951 might have been 52. Nash followed with Hydramatic in 1952. Chrysler stuck with their semi automatic (had a clutch peddle) until 1955 when I think they called it Powerflite for the whole line. Now a question does anyone know what the first American car was with Air Conditioning?
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OK guess I am on stage on automatics. First was Buick in 1938 still had a clutch peddle but was an automatic. As far as the first no clutch peddle automatic goes yes Oldsmobile 1940, followed by Cadillac 1941 GM waited for Caddie and used Olds to make sure it was OK. The next was Buick Dynaflow in 1948 as an option only on the Roadmaster in 1949 it became on option on the Super standard on the Roadmaster (the stick was gone on the Roadmaster). Pontiac got Hydramatic in 1950. Chevrolet Powerglide in 1951 and I think some 50s got it late in the year.Late 1949 Ford a bit red faced over the GM three bit the bullet and bought Hydramatics from GM for only the Lincoln. Then in 1951 Ford came out with Fordamatic for their whole line except Lincoln which continued with Hydramatic thru 1955. In 1951 Packard brought out Ultramatic. There is a great story behind the Packard Ultramatic development if anybody is interested I can do a separate post on it. Studebaker in 1951 Bought an automatic from Borg Warner. Hudson bought Hydramatic from GM I think in 1951 might have been 52. Nash followed with Hydramatic in 1952. Chrysler stuck with their semi automatic (had a clutch peddle) until 1955 when I think they called it Powerflite for the whole line. Now a question does anyone know what the first American car was with Air Conditioning?
Pete, I know they had what passed for AC back in the late Thirties, or early Forties, but it was mounted outside on the window frame. I could be wrong, but I believe the first "real" AC was on a Nash in the early Fifties.
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......... Now a question does anyone know what the first American car was with Air Conditioning?
Easy.. Packard, in 1930 from memory. I remember your mentioning this a long while ago. I just can't remember yesterday!
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Yep they worked on water evaporation system that got cool NOT COLD. No believe it or not Frigidaire (GM) made the first refrigerant system BUT GM was not about to use it in their cars. The first real air conditioned vehicle again believe it or not, was a 1939 Henney Packard Hearse and no I don't know why. In 1940 Packard offered air conditioning as an option and sold quite a few. Back in the early 80s I bought 1940 Super 8 160 in nice shape in Dallas Texas good running and driving shape with Factory AC. I flew to Dallas in the middle of the summer paid the seller (he ran Dr. Pepper in Dallas) put a dealer tag on the car and headed for Pa. The car ran great with Over Drive it cruised effortlessly at 70MPH and was cool (not cold) inside. This was due mainly to the AC unit in the trunk and no tinted glass the actual air coming out of the unit was cold however. The system was primitive by todays standards no clutch in the compressor you put the AC belt on in the spring and took it off in the fall thus the AC was always on. IF you wanted to be cool you put the fans in the back on. There are some pictures around of Packard executives alighting from a 40 Packard with overcoats on in mid summer just to prove how great the AC was. Its funny they pushed the sale of AC in 1940 and 41 but after the war it was in a few 46 and 47 cars and then disappeared until 1953 when again it was Frigidaire. And no GM did not offer it in Cadillac or Oldsmobile until 1953.
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